tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4607464045429311026.post2118493681761950784..comments2024-03-26T00:09:13.941-07:00Comments on Dungeon of Signs: HMS Apollyon Player Manual - Turning RulesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4607464045429311026.post-11654158014144643282014-12-03T13:26:59.856-08:002014-12-03T13:26:59.856-08:00I always disliked the "evil temple makes it h...I always disliked the "evil temple makes it hard to turn" or "the zombies have amulets and are hard to turn" argument. My solution is either to A) expect some undead (or sharks it one has a Leviathan cultist) will be turned - that's why you have a cleric in the party, don't take it away. B) Through more undead at the party - you can turn what, 2D8 creatures total? Instead of 4 ghouls, how about 12? The dead travel in packs. Also that army of 100 skeletons the lich keeps around, try cutting through them 2D8 a round before you can turn him? He's getting off the 10D6 fireball & feeblemind spells C) Liches, Vampires, wraiths and even ghouls aren't complete idiots - they run away from being turned, they don't just stand there waiting to be smashed. They'll be back two, and this time the surprise attack goes after the Cleric first. Gus Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14872819206286105195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4607464045429311026.post-40555170321575824532014-12-02T09:23:17.987-08:002014-12-02T09:23:17.987-08:00Turning can be a bit of a bugaboo in any D&D s...Turning can be a bit of a bugaboo in any D&D system. So much precedence in literature, but the game effects can be wonky. At high levels, undead are effectively no longer a viable challenge. I recall reviewing one of the first retroclone modules, a high-level entry that featured a lich as the End Boss and I pointed out that the cleric PC had something like a 65% chance to defeat him instantly. In fact, it might even have been greater than that.<br /><br />As a result, DMs often resort to gimping the system: adding a medallion that decrease the chances of turning, taking EGG's advice in the DMG that especially evil areas may make it more difficult, etc. My group developed a house rule that undead cannot be turned from their final place of rest; if turned there, they are effectively neutralized, but if attacked the turn is disabled.Gnarley Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11942095647867654862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4607464045429311026.post-74028151302284680702014-10-25T14:45:46.708-07:002014-10-25T14:45:46.708-07:00Woodblock :"Andras, Grand Marquis in Hell&quo...Woodblock :"Andras, Grand Marquis in Hell" (He who raises discords and quarrels.) By: J.A.S. Collin de Plancy. Book: Dictionnaire Infernal. Paris : E. Plon, 1863Gus Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14872819206286105195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4607464045429311026.post-83996958340217562602014-10-25T13:45:33.515-07:002014-10-25T13:45:33.515-07:00Love i. That's a great picture too, did you ma...Love i. That's a great picture too, did you make it or find it?SAMCChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08516109635259731511noreply@blogger.com